Cultivating Daily Gratitude: A Transformative Approach for Leaders

In this special Thanksgiving episode, The Leadership Vision Podcast explores the transformative power of gratitude and practical ways to make it a daily habit. Nathan Freeburg and co-hosts Brian and Linda Schubring discuss the neuroscience behind gratitude, its impact on mental and physical health, how it strengthens relationships, and how it enhances life at work and home. The episode concludes with five powerful reflective questions to help listeners cultivate gratitude in their own lives.

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1. Gratitude and Brain Chemistry

• Key Point: Gratitude is scientifically proven to increase happiness by releasing dopamine and serotonin in the brain, creating pathways for positivity through neuroplasticity.
• Why it Matters: For leaders, this shift toward a positive mindset can foster resilience and help manage stress more effectively.
• Personal Story: Brian shares how a 20-year gratitude journaling habit, inspired by a mentor, has helped him combat negative thinking and maintain a balanced perspective.

2. Gratitude’s Physical Health Benefits

• Key Point: Studies show gratitude supports physical health, improving heart health and sleep quality, and lowering cortisol (stress hormone) levels.
• Example: Nathan discusses the Grace Study on cardiovascular health, which found that gratitude significantly improves recovery times and reduces inflammation.
• Personal Story: Linda shares how her mother’s gratitude practice has positively impacted her heart health and how clients’ gratitude toward their teams fosters better health across their organizations.

3. Gratitude in Relationships

• Key Point: Expressing gratitude strengthens relationships, builds trust, and enhances social connection. Leaders who acknowledge and appreciate team members create a culture of mutual support and trust.
• Supporting Quote: Ralph Waldo Emerson’s words, “I awoke this morning with devout thanksgiving for my friends, the old and the new,” reflect the importance of gratitude in building bonds.
• Client Story: Brian and Linda share stories of clients who practice gratitude and build deeper, more meaningful connections with their teams, creating a supportive and appreciative work environment.

4. Gratitude in the Workplace and Home

• Key Point: Gratitude can improve both the work environment and family life, increasing job satisfaction and motivation and fostering a positive, joyful atmosphere at home.
• Example: Nathan mentions Maya Angelou’s quote, “When we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, ev

Chapters

• 0:00 Daily Gratitude
• 9:27 Cultivating Gratitude in Relationships
• 20:46 Embracing Gratitude as a Practice

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hello and welcome to the Leadership Vision podcast, our show helping you build positive team culture. Each year since 2014, so 10 years now our team here at Leadership Vision takes a few moments to reflect on the things that we're grateful for Friends, family, health you get the idea. We do this because we know, at least anecdotally, that gratitude is good for us. If we can focus on what's going well in this topsy-turvy world that we live in, then maybe that will dovetail into a greater behavior of gratitude. As writer Anne Lamott says, now Thanksgiving right now is an obvious time for this sort of reflection to happen. But to truly reap the benefits that gratitude can bring, we need to find ways to make gratitude a daily habit. Today on the podcast, we're going to be first making the case to you as to why gratitude is good for us and then share some extremely practical ways you can make this a daily habit. We'll talk about the neuroscience of gratitude, why it's good for our brains, the physical benefits of gratitude, the emotional and relational benefits of gratitude, why it's good at the office, why it's good at home, and then we're going to end with five ways to cultivate gratitude in your daily life. Let's start by first talking about gratitude and your brain.

Speaker 1: 1:14

Gratitude isn't just an abstract concept. It's deeply rooted in our brain chemistry. Research highlighted in the Wharton Healthcare article, the Neuroscience of Gratitude shows that expressing gratitude releases dopamine and serotonin neurotransmitters that create feelings of happiness and well-being. In essence, gratitude can shift our brain toward positivity by physically changing our neural pathways. Neuroscientists call this process neuroplasticity, and it means that by practicing gratitude, we're literally wiring our brains to be more positive. Gratitude shapes the foundations of positive thinking and helps us approach challenges with resilience. For leaders, this means that gratitude can make a tangible difference in our emotional resilience, helping us manage stress and setbacks with greater ease. Brian, can you think of any examples, either from your own life or leaders that you've worked with, who do this well?

Speaker 2: 2:08

I can think of many, many examples, but I want to start with myself, because if there's one thing that has changed in my life or has been constantly been shaped and reshaped, it's the practice of gratitude.

Speaker 2: 2:24

I had a mentor about 20 years ago who challenged me to really begin each of my days with a gratitude practice. Now many people know that I journal every single morning and my mentors invitation was for me to start my journaling with expressions of gratitude and, of course, me being who I am, I said grateful for what? And that was kind of. The point was just to let it, let myself naturally think about what I'm grateful for as an individual and in my relationships and in my surrounding. And, honestly, that practice lasted over 20 years of consciously connecting to a gratitude practice by writing in a journal, and for me that's what really began a change.

Speaker 2: 3:13

And the reason why this is important is because oftentimes, gratitude is offsetting some type of deficit mindset that we have, whether it's telling ourselves a negative story about who we are, or we may have grown up in a situation where we were disadvantaged in one way or another, and I share parts of both of those stories. So for me to ground myself in the beginning of the day with a gratitude practice really helps me become more aware of my perspective, the abundance that surrounds me and how I can begin to reshape how I'm thinking with some of the challenges that I'm facing.

Speaker 1: 3:49

I love that and I can't wait for us to get to some more of those daily practices that can help build gratitude as a habit. But the benefits of gratitude don't stop with our mental well-being, do they? I found this article from Harvard Health Publishing called Giving Thanks Can Make you Happier, and in it it points out that gratitude is also associated with better physical health. Studies have shown that those who practice gratitude regularly experience improved heart health, better sleep and lower levels of cortisol, which is that stress hormone that we don't normally want unless we're running from a wild animal.

Speaker 1: 4:25

It turns out that simply giving thanks can be an important contributor to our physical health. There's this big study it's called the GRACE study, which is all on cardiovascular health that points out that gratitude's role after an acute coronary event found similar results. And get this, linda patients who practice gratitude saw improvements in cardiovascular health, lower inflammation levels and even experienced faster recovery times after heart events. Now I think this is particularly valuable for leaders in high stress roles, where health often takes a back seat. By fostering gratitude, we can mitigate some of the physical impacts of stress. Linda, can you think of some examples of leaders that you have worked with or again, even personally, where this practice of gratitude has helped health-wise.

Speaker 3: 5:14

Yes, nathan, I have many examples, but I want to start with one that's near and dear to my heart and that is my mother, and we all know that she listens to this podcast. I'm going to give her a shout out right now because she is going to be so excited about your findings, nathan, and reading the study about the cardiovascular benefits of gratitude, because she can then count it as exercise. So, mom, shout out to you, I'm excited about that. But, being serious, my mother has had a specific gratitude practice. She is so specific in the things that she names, she also journals, she also documents that, the things that she sees in her daily life, that really cultivates such a grateful heart, that she that really cultivates such a grateful heart.

Speaker 3: 6:04

When she had sort of a heart incident, one of the nurses said to me like your mother's heart is so good, like it's so clean, I was like if you only knew. But really I was raised in a house where generosity and gratitude were a value, and so, once again, to know that there's health benefits from that, I mean that's the first thing I think of. The other thing that I think of in our clients is that when we have experienced leaders who can be very specific about the things that they are thankful for and they can express that to their teams. It is a different feel, or a different positive health of the team Leaders that stand up and say, hey, thanks for being here is different than thank you for taking this time, investing in this way, doing this specific thing, and I like the reframe of that, how gratitude doesn't just. It isn't just a polite way that we practice professional decorum. It is a way where we actually impact our physical health.

Speaker 2: 7:11

There's one client that we're working with right now and they went through, you know, an entire organization wide performance evaluation for this time of year. That's not odd. However, they were spending time specifically focusing on saying things that they were grateful for or recognizing individual contributions of the people that they were doing the evaluations for. They were just conscious of the fact that when you begin to introduce things that are good and right about people and express your gratitude and thankfulness for that person being a part of the team, it does set a tone for the conversation, and that doesn't have to be reserved just for performance evaluations.

Speaker 1: 7:53

That's right, that's right. I mean, we know gratitude is good for our brain, we know that it's good for our overall health, but did you also know, brian Linda, that it's good for our relationships?

Speaker 3: 8:02

What yeah, tell me more, tell me more, tell me more.

Speaker 1: 8:06

Well, ralph Waldo Emerson, the American philosopher and essayist, and a bunch of other things he once said.

Speaker 1: 8:13

I awoke this morning with devout thanksgiving for my friends, the old and the new, and we found that gratitude strengthens relationships by helping us recognize and appreciate the positive contributions of others, and I just think it's a profound way to build bonds within a team or organization or family or any kind of unit of people. There's Radius Health, which is a nonprofit mental health and substance use disorder service organization, notes that gratitude reduces feelings of loneliness, it enhances social connection, among other relational benefits, and when we express genuine gratitude to team members or family members or whomever, it creates a culture of appreciation and acknowledgement, which not only boosts morale but it also reinforces trust and loyalty, and I think that in this way, this specific way, gratitude becomes a leadership tool that fosters deeper connections and commitment within a team. Brian and Linda, I'm wondering if you have any examples of this from clients that we've worked with that have really demonstrated this publicly kind of that idea of appreciation or acknowledgement, and what sort of benefits you saw from it.

Speaker 2: 9:23

Well, going off the Ralph Waldo Emerson quote that you had. A lot of the work that we do is involving reflection of the relationships and the people that have shaped people's lives. Now, we're not intentionally introducing a gratitude practice or some kind of exercise on Thanksgiving, but it's the remembering of who brought you to where you are, whether that was a leader who is making an investment in you, whether it was the parenting system that raised you or people that were in the neighborhood where you grow up, A reminder that relationships make contributions to who we are. When you remember the people, when you begin to tell those stories, that in and of itself is an act of gratitude. Anytime that we can make a relational connection between individuals that we're working with and the people that have shaped their life, that in and of itself is an act of thanksgiving for the people that have brought us to where we're at today.

Speaker 3: 10:23

Just the other day we were working with an executive team and we were asking we were asking these leaders who would, who has helped them in their past um, live out more fully who they are? How did, how did um people shape the future lean of even where these leaders find themselves right now on this executive team? And for them to hearken back to early 20s, mid 20s, when everything from they were given freedom to fail because there was a relational trust between this person and his supervisor, whether it's people listening to the woman that could just see and orchestrate different groups of people coming together. She just could see how it all works and, even just being an intern, that future was called out of her. Those future places, as these leaders are giving us examples, as Brian was mentioned when we asked, they're giving examples of people that have impacted their life for the better. You can feel gratitude stirred and then we tried to focus it on then how do you pay that forward? How do you be that person stirring, cultivating gratitude in the people that they're leading?

Speaker 2: 11:45

And that exercise that we did it wasn't intentional, because in that we did it in November it was intentional in that reminding oneself of what we're grateful for places you in a position of giving generously, Because what we're asking these executives to do was remember who shaped you and then asking these leaders to look at their teams and then to begin to ask questions how can I now pay it forward? How can I be generous with the position that I now have and the opportunities that are here within this company? How can my generosity as a leader invest in the lives of someone else? That's where the enhancing of social and relational connection happens, because the leader is now saying I see something in you. That's a relational connection, and here's how I'm inviting you to lead. That's a social connection. And so there's like two or three different bounces of generosity just in seeing someone investing in someone and inviting them to shape the people around them. That's the power of gratitude and generosity.

Speaker 3: 12:59

Impacting relationships.

Speaker 1: 13:00

yeah, yeah, I love that and I want to pull back just a little bit from relationships. We know that teams and families and all those things are made up of all those individual relationships. But I want to talk about the benefits in the workplace and the home to expressing gratitude. I found this great article from Wharton Healthcare that highlights that workplaces encouraging gratitude see higher levels of job satisfaction and productivity and teams are more engaged and experience lower burnout rates, which I think we have all experienced a lot and they're actually more motivated to go above and beyond in their roles. There's this great quote that we've probably all heard from Maya Angelou that says when we give cheerfully and accept gratefully, everyone is blessed.

Speaker 1: 13:42

So in a professional setting right, isn't that great. In a professional setting, gratitude is contagious. Also, I think leaders that model gratitude set a standard. They create this workplace like you were talking about just a second ago, where people feel valued and are more likely to invest in their roles fully. Brian, before we get into the benefits of gratitude at home, do you have any examples of workplace gratitude benefits practice? Anything you want to add?

Speaker 2: 14:08

Sometimes, when you ask people to practice gratitude, it seems almost formulaic and mechanical, and this practice of gratitude can be something really easy, as in asking people like how things went or what's happening around them or what's something that you're working on right now. I think people want to share the challenges, yes, and they also want to share what's going well. I think people want to share the challenges, yes, and they also want to share what's going well. We have a client right now that we have a great opportunity to invest in their mid-level leaders, and we have the chance to spend hour-long conversations over a period of weeks with these leaders, and when you begin to ask them what's going on and how are they feeling right now, it seems like everyone is talking about how they feel great that they were chosen to be invested in now. That is an expression of gratitude. I didn't ask them like what are you grateful for?

Speaker 2: 14:56

But giving people the opportunity to recognize what's happening around them in a positive way, they'll say out loud what it is that they're good they're grateful for with, without you having to really ask them. It's just the way you're approaching it. There's another client we have and we again working with a bunch of their leaders, and they've just gone through a complete remodel of their organization, and what this remodel did was it reminded them how much their previous environment sucked like, how much just working in the environment that they were in wasn't working. And it seems that this team is going through this moment of extreme gratitude for how nice their working environment is and how they feel around their colleagues and the invitation to share time in different places with team members. You can feel the energy in their voice because they're thankful for the opportunity to work in a nice environment where they have the equipment and the spaces necessary to do the work that our modern workplaces are required. Even there, just asking people to just reflect on what is going on around them, that's having a positive impact on them.

Speaker 3: 16:07

You'll hear expressions of gratitude on around them that's having a positive impact on them. You'll hear expressions of gratitude, which is so interesting because, brian, as you were talking, I was going through the whole list of all the clients that we have, and there's several of them that have changed environments, that they have either moved into a new office or renovated some building. And what's unique and common about these different clients across different industries is that they aren't just worried about the stuff and the nice things they want to. They want to make sure that they preserve the culture and they cultivate a culture where people are invested in. And it's not just because it's nice, but we're gonna, as as a team and as in as leaders and as individuals, we're gonna match what this new environment is, which involves growing, which involves changing and so kind of helping. People say, oh, that's gratitude or wow, I hear you're grateful in that sometimes people just need it, whether it's home or work. There just needs to be a tag Like that's gratitude, that's generosity.

Speaker 2: 17:16

When there's practices of gratitude and Thanksgiving happening in the workplace, you're setting individuals up for the potential to see and appreciate some of the same things at home. When you are helping people understand the value of some of the challenging relationships, you may increase a person's appreciation for the relationships that they have in their home. When you are allowing people the opportunity to make observations around what's going well, you're priming them to make similar observations at home around what's going well. There there's definitely a carryover from one environment to the next, no matter how long you consider your commute to be. When we can elevate people's behaviors and when we can broaden someone's perspectives on the positive things happening around them, we are setting them up to carry that same perspective into their homes and with their families.

Speaker 1: 18:11

Well, I like that because, as we know, the benefits of gratitude extend well beyond the workplace.

Speaker 1: 18:15

That's right, since we're not just only these worker robots in the workplace. I think we also should talk about benefits of gratitude extending beyond the workplace and how it can be equally transformative at home. So there's yet another article I found from healthychildrenorg, which is a publication by the American Academy of Pediatrics that found that practicing gratitude with family members can strengthen those emotional bonds, create a more positive atmosphere and help build resilience. And for children especially, witnessing gratitude in action it teaches them empathy, appreciation and kindness, qualities that I think carry forward into many areas of life and, hopefully, are ones that if you start early, we'll build with them to later in life. Expressing gratitude as a family can also be as simple as just sharing one thing you're grateful for each day, perhaps around the dinner table or before bed. I think, over time, that when we build these type of habits into our daily life, these small moments of appreciation can deepen family relationships and create a home environment that feels both supportive and joyful and I think joy is a good thing and also in both work and home settings, gratitude reminds us to value each other and the positive contributions that everyone brings.

Speaker 1: 19:31

And if I'd love to hear a workplace example, you have something that our family tries to do at home not every day because our schedule is crazy, but the days that we do it I can definitely tell that the kids seem to be in a better move. But around the dinner table we do this thing called high low Buffalo and it's like hi, what's one thing that went well or one thing you're grateful for. Today the low isn't just like something that's bad happened, it's like what could maybe you have done differently. And then Buffalo is just something random, which always tends to be like that fun thing. And whenever we do that, there is this, this palpable difference in how bedtime goes, how we all sleep. And, brian, linda, I'm curious if you have in the workplace you shared an example earlier a little bit, but is there I don't know an activity or an example of a client you've worked with that had their version of high low Buffalo that has seen some sort of beneficial results?

Speaker 3: 20:23

Oh, yes, we have people that they do the rosebud thorn. Ah, sure, you know the great thing and the thing that's growing and the thing that people that they do the rosebud thorn. Ah, sure, you know the great thing and the thing that's growing and the thing that they didn't like.

Speaker 1: 20:35

Yeah, which is pretty simple, but I think can be applied and there's obvious benefits here.

Speaker 3: 20:40

Yeah, the consolation desolation like good thing highlight low light or something you're looking forward to.

Speaker 3: 20:46

Usually, a prompt just helps people have a chance to think into something. In particular, as you were sharing some of the workplace examples, I was thinking about something that we had started at Leadership Vision, probably about 10 years ago, and that was this practice of gratitude. So we just spend a lot of time when we're working with a group I was going to say even a large group, but it's usually small groups, even small, even in a group I was gonna say even a large group, but it's usually small groups, even small, even in a group of eight will will break people up into pairs and get them talking. We do know that people doing the talking are doing the learning. So we want to give people enough of a chance to to really learn and wrestle with whatever material and bond with whoever's on the team with them.

Speaker 3: 21:31

And it's always awkward trying to bring people back. Or you know, people are standing up and they're chatting with a neighbor, or they have their materials and they're, you know, recounting or answering the different prompts that we've asked them. At some point we just pause and we get everyone back and there's that awkward like what do we do when we need to go back to our seat, and so, instead of going back to your seat, I started this practice, just called all right, thank your partner, and then sometimes I'll joke. You don't have to swing your partner, but even in big groups.

Speaker 3: 22:08

When I say okay, thank your partner, head back to your seats to hear all the resounding thank yous that almost like ripple in a room. When people are expressing that gratitude, it is almost a act of reminding ourselves, like just looking someone in the eye. It's a. It helps with transition, Cause I don't know what to say, like hey, well, maybe I'll ask you again about that later. Or bye, um, instead it's thank you, and we have found that even by the end of our session. Sometimes we're like all right, head back to your seats and they will say thank you, not even prompted by us. So giving people a place to practice expressing gratitude is really important.

Speaker 1: 22:55

So by now it should be obvious of the benefits of gratitude, but I think what we want to share with our listeners is how do we make this practical? How do we actually turn these big ideas into daily habits or practices that they can do both by themselves and with a team or a family or whatever it is. So, brian, linda, I'm going to share five simple questions that each have kind of a larger focus. I'll put this in the show notes if people want to print off a PDF and do it around the Thanksgiving table or some other table, if they're listening to it at another time of the year. But then what I'm going to ask each of you to do is which of these five questions maybe strike a nerve with you today and, I don't know, maybe if you want to share it. So here's five reflective questions that you can ask at the beginning of the day, end of the day, once a week, whatever it is, and again, these can either be focused on the individual or team.

Speaker 1: 23:50

So the first one is a personal reflection what am I most grateful for today and why? Number two is more growth focused. What challenges have helped me grow recently? What I love about this one is, it takes a challenge. Instead of saying this is really hard, it says how did this help me grow? Number three is about relationship building. Who in my life has made a positive impact and have I thanked them?

Speaker 1: 24:15

Going back to earlier, what you were saying, linda, about just thanking people, I think, is sometimes forgotten about. The fourth one here has to do around, like shifting your perspective on things. What small moments brought me joy this week? I think sometimes we can forget that every little thing that we do is an opportunity for joy or gratitude. And the fifth one, which I have, futuristic, as one of my strengths I love thinking about this it's this future gratitude. So ask yourself or your team, what am I looking forward to and can I appreciate it now? We have a big, fun family trip coming up in a couple of months. How do I appreciate that now? How do I think about it now? How do I look forward to that, anticipating those little moments of joy. I think that can be a really uplifting place to focus on. So, of those five questions, melinda, I'm gonna put you on the spot first.

Speaker 3: 25:05

Any one of them kind of strike a nerve with you today. Yeah, it's interesting because this week I've really sought to practice gratitude, like almost turn it up a little bit. I think I have made a point to connect with some of the leaders that we are working with and name specifically like why I'm grateful for them. Our clients make a positive impact not just on the people that they lead, but they make a positive impact on us, and when we can catch leaders doing it right and when I have an opportunity to say this was great and this is what it looked like, I sent a message to one of the clients that we work with and she wrote back something that said this. She said Linda, you were always generous with praise and gratitude and I want you to know. I appreciate that. And I paused because I thought I'm not always super generous.

Speaker 3: 26:03

Like it has to, it has to be meaningful, there has to be, some, some reason for it, and and so it isn't just like, hey, good job, hey, thank you for this. I want to be specific in saying what is it that I appreciate? I?

Speaker 1: 26:18

like that. Thank you for sharing that. What about you, Brian?

Speaker 2: 26:21

Today I am drawn to growth-focused. We are entering into a season of our organization where I am leading part of our business into an area that I've never been involved in or participated in before.

Speaker 3: 26:35

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 26:51

A tremendous amount of growth focus at this point. Of course, I'm grateful for it, because this time of growth in this season is going to help us reach one of our dreams. Okay, what I love about.

Speaker 3: 27:04

I want to speak to that.

Speaker 1: 27:05

Nathan.

Speaker 2: 27:06

Can.

Speaker 1: 27:06

I do that Please.

Speaker 3: 27:09

I want to reflect this, brian, because I am grateful that you've approached this growth with gratitude. I think there's times where some of the things that we do in growth like it feels like it hurts, or it feels like we don't know what we're doing or there can be a lot of fear with it, and I've seen the expressions of gratitude and I'm thankful for that.

Speaker 2: 27:33

Thank you, baby, I love that and I'm thankful for that.

Speaker 3: 27:35

Thank you, baby and Nathan. Thank you, and thank you for Nathan, thank you for um the ways that you even give us a platform and a place to dialogue together, because I I'm grateful for the synergy of the three of us.

Speaker 1: 27:48

Oh well, thank you, I I appreciate that and I, um, I kind of already shared mine with the future gratitude, but I was, I've, I've read through this several times in preparation for that and I kind of already shared mine with the future gratitude, but I've read through this several times in preparation for that. And each time something has hit me differently. Oh, interesting. And the perspective shift as I was reading it, because I already had my example of the future lined up.

Speaker 1: 28:06

Yeah good, but what small moments brought me joy this week. This has been kind of a rough week for a variety of different reasons, and what I like about this is my mind immediately thought of all these really small things that I'm not going to list because they just wouldn't mean anything to other people. But when you focus on that, you focus on, like, what's going well. And it's not to be Pollyanna-ish or ignore, you know, I'm just going to pretend none of the bad stuff happened. But it's like, even in just the what has it been 30 minutes of thinking about this, like huh, okay, like this is good to focus on this.

Speaker 1: 28:42

And I think you know I won't rehash all that we just read to you about your neuroscience and all that benefiting your health, but it's true. So I think you know the gratitude. Practicing gratitude has these undeniable benefits for both our mental and physical health, strengthens our relationships, it creates a more positive work culture and I think, especially for leaders during this season of life, this time of year, it's just can be such a powerful tool for inspiring teams, fostering resilience and even improving our own well being, as we've said a few times now. So here's what I want to challenge the three of us with and our listeners, is that, as we enter into the season of thanks Thanksgiving, christmas, new Year's, whatever- other holiday that we encourage you to pause and reflect on what gratitude means to you.

Speaker 1: 29:25

But just don't stop there. Just don't pause and reflect. Consider how you can incorporate it in more fully into your daily life and all of your interactions. Eckhart Tolle, who is a teacher and author and a bunch of other stuff, said that acknowledging the good that you already have in your life is the foundation for all abundance. So thank you for being a listener to the Leadership Vision podcast. We appreciate you If you found value from this episode or any of our other material. We would appreciate it if you could share it with someone else that you think might benefit from us. You can find more about us at leadershipvisionconsultingcom. Subscribe, click the little bells, do whatever you want to do to learn more about us. My name is Nathan Friberg and I'm Linda Schubring.

Speaker 2: 30:05

And I'm Brian Schubring.

Speaker 3: 30:12

And on behalf of our entire team, thanks for listening. I was going to say happy Thanksgiving.

Speaker 1: 30:14

Happy Thanksgiving Thanks for listening Happy.