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Unfolding Dreams: Why Naming Your Dream is the First Step Toward Transformation

• Nathan Freeburg • Season 8 • Episode 20

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In this inaugural episode of our new Unfolded series, we delve into the transformative power of personal dreams. Drawing from Chapter 1 of the two-time national best-selling book Unfolded: Lessons in Transformation from an Origami Crane by Dr. Linda and Brian Schubring, we dive into what it means to name your dream—and why that’s often the first step toward discovering your identity, purpose, and potential.

🧠 What You'll Learn:

  • Why naming your dream is essential to personal transformation
  • How your dreams reveal and reshape your identity
  • What science says about long-term vision and mental well-being
  • How to let go of old dreams to make space for new ones
  • Questions to help you reflect on your own dream journey

💬 Quotes from the Episode:

“To accept an invitation to dream is a step to unfold the greatest potential within you.”


“If Owl’s map could talk, it would tell of a life well lived and many lessons learned.”

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📝 Reflection Question:
What dream do you need to name—or reimagine—right now?

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Speaker 1:

My wish for people is that they would start to become familiar with how you dream, how you dream uniquely, what kind of things inspire you, who's around you that gets your attention, what kind of things ignite some of your thinking or your feeling, and what inspires you to act. Maybe then, after a little bit of time or processing with another person, you'll have a sense of what your dreams truly are, and then I would say go for it 25 years, so that leaders are mentally engaged and emotionally healthy.

Speaker 2:

To learn more about us and what we do, you can click the link in the show notes or visit us on the web at leadershipvisionconsultingcom.

Speaker 2:

Hello everyone, my name is Nathan Friberg, and today's episode kicks off a brand new series exploring the core themes of Unfolded Lessons in Transformation from an Origami Crane, the two-time national bestseller, by Dr Linda and Brian Shubring.

Speaker 2:

In each episode of this series, we'll dive into one chapter and unpack the deeper meaning behind it, and we're starting here with chapter one and the concept of dreams, specifically, the power of individual or personal dreams. In this conversation, we talk about how dreams give us focus, fuel our identity and spark transformation. You'll hear stories about childhood wonder, the role of imagination and what it looks like to pursue dreams that may never fully come true, but they still shape who we become. We also touch on scientific research that shows how having a vivid, future-oriented vision is directly tied to greater motivation, improved mental health and a stronger sense of purpose. Now, whether you're dreaming big or simply trying to reconnect with what once inspired you, this episode will offer encouragement, insight and maybe even a challenge to dream again. So let's get into it, brian and Linda, I'm curious, as we start this podcast today, why you decided to start Unfolded with a chapter about dreams.

Speaker 3:

One of the reasons why I wanted to start the book anchored in this idea of someone having a dream is because I believe that all human beings dream. We dream of many small things. We dream of big things, we dream of intermediate things, but we all dream. We dream of different places to live. We dream of different types of vacations to go on, we dream about jobs. When we were kids, we dreamed of who our classmates might be.

Speaker 3:

I used to dream of turkey gravy, mashed potatoes for lunch on Fridays. We had these really nice dreams. We all have them and it's something that humans have in common, no matter what you believe, where you live, how you were raised or what you desire or dream to even be as a person. We all share dreams and when I thought more about it, I realized that dreams often inspire us and they focus us. Dreams put us in a place where sometimes, things become more clear, where we are willing to ask for help and, most importantly, I believe that dreams point us to our greatest possibility and unfold our greatest potential a dream is ridiculous.

Speaker 2:

How do you know when a dream is realistic? How do you know when a dream is maybe too small? I mean that there's. You know, I had a dream that I was gonna be a professional baseball player and I only played seventh grade baseball and that didn't work out, go Cubs, go Cubs. As kids, you have all these crazy dreams. Like you know, oc wanted to be a paper plane. That is ridiculous, because of course you can't become a paper plane, of course you can't change your shape. Metaphor.

Speaker 2:

Of course you can't, you know whatever. So how do you, when you think about these, these wild and crazy dreams that some of us have, how do you know when that's when you should go after it, I guess, or how do you know when you should just be like that's a fun thing to dream about, to think about to you know what I mean.

Speaker 1:

Yes, yes. Sometimes I think that as children, we only dream as far as we can see. So maybe there's things that catch our attention, that we pay attention to and like oh, I want to do that. I remember getting a firefighter fighter hat for some birthday. I'm like that's what I want to be. I had no idea that that would probably not be.

Speaker 1:

Your hair smell like smoke not be the best fit for me in my lungs, however. However, it's when we're exposed to other things that allow us to dream beyond, in our case, the playground. So it was because our origami crane had seen beyond the cottonwood trees that she noticed the plane and she noticed the feathered birds and there was something different that well, if I'm seeing that, maybe I can be that, maybe I can do that. And every once in a while I think we don't even know what we expose children to that actually opens them up or gives them a chance to dream. Or the bring your kid to work day, or the having guests come to schools and talk to children. It begins to say like oh, banking isn't just this. You can play any role out of who you are. It's not just necessarily collecting money. There's marketing and there's events and there's a a big stadium downtown it's funny you say bring your kid to work.

Speaker 2:

Because one of my twins went to work with my wife yesterday.

Speaker 2:

It wasn't bring your kid to work day, it's like a 14 hour day she was in all these very big meetings where she met very important people with three letters after their name and she came home she's like I'm gonna work, work for Nike someday. Here's all the reasons why. And she's like our most timid child probably. I mean you talk about unlocking it, I mean she's nine, so unlocking a dream, but just that idea of seeing something in a different way, I think is super powerful and meaningful.

Speaker 3:

And that's why I think dreams are important for us to unlock the imaginative possibility of who we really are.

Speaker 3:

Because in our story, the dream was sparked by something that was seen a little bit beyond the normal scope of vision.

Speaker 3:

And the first place that OC went for help was to the people that were around her and the people that were around her in the specific place where she found herself.

Speaker 3:

And I really believe, especially as we grow older well, even as we're younger we tend to look to the people in places, the people around us and the places that we're in to help us in the fulfilling of our dream.

Speaker 3:

And that's why I feel that some people have to release their dreams, maybe quickly and painfully, because the resources that they have within their environment will not fuel the dreaming that they are connected to into that, because there are certain people that, because of their socioeconomic environment, they have a great limitation on fulfilling their dreams unless they make a great sacrifice to leave to pursue their dreams, and there are others that simply give up. The converse is also true, where you have children and young adults who are growing up in environments that are rich with resources and opportunities, that often in those resources and opportunities and people often serve as an accelerant to their dreaming. We're not faulting one for the other. We're just highlighting the realities that actually exist around, how it is that we receive our dreams, how we pursue our dreams and when we give up one dream for another.

Speaker 1:

There's people that have asked me Linda, did you dream of having your own business? I was like I didn't even know that existed really.

Speaker 2:

I know I grew up around educators.

Speaker 1:

I grew up around hometown people. I grew up on educators. I grew up around hometown people. I grew up on a country road. There was not this sense of I'm going to go out and be entrepreneurial. I didn't even know necessarily what that meant. And even right now I think there's a generation coming after us that they can't even dream about what they're going to do, because it has not yet unfolded. Yet History has not unfolded in a way that will pave the course for a better future or the kinds of work that we will or won't be doing.

Speaker 3:

And in this conversation around dreams, I think it is essential and very important for people to not disregard or discredit the dreams that they have. I feel that the invitation is to really embrace the dream wholeheartedly as an individual and to look at your context who are the people that are around me that can help me on my journey toward the dream, and what does this place that I'm in have to offer to help?

Speaker 1:

Yeah, Well, and I would say, oftentimes, I think that the dreamers among us don't even realize that they're dreamers. They're just seeing some shiny things going for it, leaning into new places, trying new things, carving paths. It's just what they do.

Speaker 1:

Sometimes, when you compare yourself to those people, you're like well, I don't have any dreams or I don't know how to disrupt a whole organization like that, or maybe I'm just trying to, you know, take care of my little corner of the universe here, and I think that's why starting the conversation about dreams and getting people to talk about them comes at dreams from a different angle than what we usually do, and that is someone come and help me interpret the dreams. That's not what we need at this point an imagination of people talking out loud about their dreams, or why we're having these dreams, or why our brains are trying to process all this information and experiences and emotions that we're having in our sleeping hours and in our waking hours.

Speaker 3:

I think it's so fun to listen to people talk about their dreams because you can see the excitement build right away. There's just something about how it is that they're showing up that presents a sense of joy or play to, how it is that they're talking about their dream, and I really try to encourage people to begin practicing the journey of what it means to even go in or live in the direction of the dream. That, to me, is something I think is really important because I know for myself like when I have a dream that's really compelling, I start thinking about like the performance side of that dream really quickly, like what's it like in its perfected state, and oftentimes a dream just inspires us to move to somewhere new.

Speaker 3:

There may never come the performance side of it, but the practice of how it is that we begin to journey towards our dreams, yep, sometimes the dreaming or the anticipation of something is more exciting and fulfilling and full of wonder than the actual achieving of the dream Totally.

Speaker 1:

And I think we miss the gift of anticipation because we want things immediate.

Speaker 2:

And.

Speaker 1:

I think, yeah, I think, if we're stirring a conversation around, what does it mean to dream, and not just that one dream that we're going to be held to, and I thought you were dreaming that and I thought we were all rowing in that direction, but rather, what are you seeing now? Where are you leaning? What kind of behaviors have you enacted or are practicing in order to get you to a different?

Speaker 2:

place. So what I'm thinking about is why do people give up on their dreams? Is that where? A next logical step? Because when I think about.

Speaker 2:

You know my own life. I don't know that I've, like intentionally given up on a dream. I've put it off, or I've thought I don't have the right context, or this isn't the right time, or gosh, this is going to be really hard, this is going to take time away for this other thing. In your experience, why do people give up on dreams or relegate them to the back burner that they just sort of are slowly simmering for decades?

Speaker 3:

I think there are some dreams that are meant to be let go Totally. They're not the dreams that we ever are going to fulfill, because I believe that some of the dreams, even that I encourage people to dream, are the ones that just serve as a distraction right now, and that they are dreams that are not meant to come true. They are a dream that just helps you get through. We were working with a client and not to belabor the context, but the context just has a lot of stress, like a lot of places, and one of the things that we challenged the team to do was to dream beyond the challenge. That's it.

Speaker 3:

Just dream beyond a possibility, beyond the challenge. Dream about you acting differently on the other side of the challenge, just to get them to lift up their spirits, their attitudes. Just something. And just that one moment, I think, gave a levity to the crowd they were speaking to, because it was a dream that may never come true, but just it helped you get through that moment. It just breaks your mind out of that intense focus on difficulty or challenge or seeming impossibility. A dream can just help you get through something.

Speaker 2:

Brian, what that makes me think about. I forget exactly what you said, but some dreams are just there to get us through, some dreams are meant to give up on. I did a little research in preparation and I'm just going to read this because I don't have it memorized Scientific research supports the power of personal dreams and long-term vision in shaping identity and life direction. Studies show and I'll include link in the show notes so you don't think I'm making this up Studies show that when individuals form a vivid personal dream, like OC did in Unfolded, they experience greater motivation, goal-setting behavior and resilience.

Speaker 2:

These future-oriented dreams help align our values with our identity and foster a deeper sense of purpose and legacy. And the part that really connects here with what we're just talking about is having a meaningful dream or life aim has been likened to increased well-being, better stress management and even a longer life. So the research says that having this big dream because I always, you know, I want a big dream so that I can make more money, so that I can be my own boss, so that I can blah, blah, blah which is all probably true but like, just, if you have a dream, something bigger, something you're aiming for, it just helps you, motivates you, has this just day, your day to day, is better. Talk a little bit about that, like how, what message do you want out of that to give leaders? How does that connect with what we're talking about? How does that connect to the book?

Speaker 1:

I have found in my career that there are times when there's just no space to dream. The threat of the immediate, the urgent, the life or death feel, even if you're not working in the ER, how work feels sometimes. I think that kills dreams and I think about the people that are like get away and do what is it? The life map? No, no, no. The vision board, vision boards? Okay, right, it allows you, it allows you.

Speaker 3:

No, that's real, that's real. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1:

But it takes a purposeful practice. It's almost like you have to schedule it or think about it and begin to dream. Some of the silly things hold both tensions, meaning how do we practice the abundance or the wonder of what life might look like if we were at this point or at that point, or if I was fueling my body in a way that allowed me to achieve these goals, or we were able to travel to this location? And I think, as you get older, it's almost like those dreams get squashed. Yeah, I think about our daughter, who came to us with a PowerPoint presentation about why we should go to Bora Bora, and several other tropical locations.

Speaker 1:

Recently she did this Well, no, I feel like she does it almost every year. But I was like your dreams are expensive to me, but yet, but yet there's something that happens generatively to me when I really listen to the heart of her dreams. In her just saying the dreams out loud, there is a demonstration of broader thinking, of a global perspective, that I don't want to just say like no, you know, we can't afford that. I want to say where does some of those dreams come from? And with the resources that we do have, what could we do?

Speaker 3:

Because I think what dreams really do is they call into question our surroundings oh, say more, tell me everything keep going, keep going what linda said earlier is completely true.

Speaker 3:

If we are in an environment which is not permitting us to dream or to think about new possibilities even just creativity because aren't dreams just simply an expression of our creativity the inability for that dreaming or creativity to happen in a context should call into question if we're in the right context, because sometimes a dream may often invite us to ask. Because sometimes a dream may often invite us to ask am I surrounded by people that are not only inspiring me to dream but will help me dream? And the converse is also true. How am I helping others in their dream and in their imagination?

Speaker 3:

Because, like what Linda's saying about this, vacation is, oftentimes Camila will have this amazing idea about a vacation and what is really behind that is just her creativity and innovation to make really meaningful experiences. Then, when you invite that expression of who she is into a vacation, she can plan days and itineraries and places to go that make the experience magnificent, because she's dreaming into the moment. With the resources that are available. It's like you reshape the environment just a little bit. You can still fulfill your dreams. It may not look exactly like you started, but it still is a fulfillment of a dream.

Speaker 1:

So when I listen then to Brian and our daughter kind of go back and forth around dreams, it makes me feel like I have no dreams.

Speaker 2:

I don't.

Speaker 1:

I don't think that big or that like I'm almost dreaming more in a moment, or I'm waiting for a dream to bump into me, or I want to help make other people make their dreams come true, and then that starts to unlock some, some dreaming in me. I remember sitting this is probably a decade now ago. We were sitting with a client that we don't, we didn't know really well, and they were saying well, how does it work? You know, you two married people to each other. Like how does that all work? And we were said some nice things and Brian said nice things.

Speaker 3:

And brian said and she kills my dreams. I was like what? No? I said, you're a dream killer, yeah, and so?

Speaker 1:

everything got tense yeah I'm like this is gonna be a tense ride home. It's gonna be a tense conversation later, um, but what he said he's like yeah, she won't let me get a jet, and she won't let me get a yacht, and she won't like seriously won't let you.

Speaker 2:

Was that that was on the table?

Speaker 3:

she just got. She blocked it completely, Totally.

Speaker 2:

Not even like. Well, what kind of jet Next time? Brian wants to get a Gulfstream. You just say yes.

Speaker 1:

Heck. No is what I'd say.

Speaker 3:

I want realistic.

Speaker 1:

Or I want to yeah, exactly, but it's almost a different framework. So for me it's like I was your dream come true.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, right.

Speaker 1:

Yeah. So dreams can have a relational bent, they can have a material bent, they can have a way that you express yourself in the world. It taps into purpose, it taps into meaning. Yeah, I think it's a reach for the sacred, I think it's a reach for a way to not just be stuck on this earth doing the same thing, day after day.

Speaker 3:

Spoiler alert if you haven't read the book.

Speaker 2:

So, speaking about, what Linda just said about the transcendent.

Speaker 3:

I really believe that dreams play a key role in a human being's need to experience the transcendent on a daily basis.

Speaker 3:

Absolutely, because the dream is a way of elevating us outside of our current circumstance to begin to get in touch with. Why am I here again? Oc's journey isn't a journey to becoming a paper plane. It's a journey about her understanding, her identity, which transcends not only the friends in the playground, but the playground, the cottonwood trees. It transcends the sky. It's above all that because the discovery of our identity is in itself a transcendent experience, because we're tapping into something that cannot be contained in the current shape we're in. My identity cannot be contained in the body that I'm in. My identity is expressed through relationships, through place, through activities, through community, through the work that I do, and that is a transcendent reach. Why are rituals so important for human beings? It's because a ritual transcend us beyond the current into something more meaningful. And in this process of the book, a dream begins the experience and the journey towards something more meaningful, and that's the true discovery of our authentic self true discovery of our authentic self.

Speaker 2:

I think where I'm stuck or where I, what I just keep thinking about is you know, we were joking about the jet. That's a very external joking. We weren't about the jet. I'm sorry, Brian.

Speaker 2:

The idea of purchasing a jet came up and and a lot of times. I think that when we think about dreams or talk about dreams, they manifest or there's a picture in our mind of a financial success of some kind. For a lot of people. I think that's what, or I'll just for myself, I think that's what's connected to there's a level of success, there's a level of prestige, there's a level of accomplishment, there's a dream house, a dream this, a dream that. But what I think we're talking about is how does our dream become a contentment with ourselves, our identity?

Speaker 1:

Because I don't think it's contentment. I think it's an acceptance that when we realize that we are built for more, made for more, and maybe we're in the wrong container, maybe we are in the wrong place or among the wrong people that aren't helping us dream or lean into greater versions of who we are and we're not having those kind of conversations, I think that's the fearful part for me. It's not where dreams come true.

Speaker 2:

Right.

Speaker 1:

And you can go to the happiest place on earth and you can enjoy it and you think that you've arrived. But I guarantee you most children get more excited about anticipating going and the wonder of meeting some of the characters in the happiest place on earth. And then I think we carry those memories and then we build on on those memories and we dream beyond them and we encourage our imagination. And so for me it's I want to be around other dreamers, and even in our story the other characters have dreams too.

Speaker 2:

I mean, that's the.

Speaker 1:

I wrote it that way, Like I have a dream too. I don't look like you and I don't want the same things. I don't necessarily want to fly, but I have dreams too, and it's being able to accept and not label. These are good dreams and bad dreams, but it's what are life-giving dreams and which ones are maybe soul-sucking?

Speaker 3:

Key to the story is when OC expresses her dreams. Her dream engages the participation of all the people in her playground and the dream transforms the use of the playground. And that's how I think dreams can be completely catalytic, because a dream inspires all different types of people. A dream asks for different things from the environment that we're in, and we tend to be a little bit more creative with what it is that we're doing and open to change as we're pursuing our dream.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's yeah, I mean where do you get stuck?

Speaker 1:

where do you get stuck?

Speaker 2:

well, I brian texted. That was just linda's comment content with our container and he wrote frightening, and then he wrote ug, and I think that's where I do get content with that, because container can be your dream your dream can be its container and the place where it can be container and the narrative that we had our dream stolen from us.

Speaker 1:

So just even hearing people that that still go back to certain places with hearts of regret, or I wish this didn't happen or, and then this person took my dream. So I don't think it's just the contentment, it's the acceptance and the making something good as a result, or being able to dream again or just make peace that that dream didn't come true. And that doesn't define who you are.

Speaker 3:

And thank the dream for being there, who you are, and thank the dream for being there, because I think about the life I've lived with Linda and in our first year of marriage there were dreams that were immediately extinguished when she was diagnosed with cancer. You don't judge the dream. You'd thank the dream for being birthed in the space between us.

Speaker 3:

But then there's something else there, because the interruption of a dream isn't a judgment that it was a bad dream. It's making space for something new. Now, of course, it was painful and that, like dreaming a new, involved a great dark period. For me, dreaming a new was, you know, a year and a half of trying to get Linda healthy again. But space, sometimes dreams don't come true, because you're making space for another dream that's going to pull you through.

Speaker 1:

And just because you're helping someone else doesn't mean that you have to put your dreams on hold.

Speaker 3:

Oof.

Speaker 1:

Yes, well, because I think there's times when parents will say like I'm putting all of my dreams on hold just to help my children. And once again we want to interrupt some of the thinking of that and help people zoom out a bit and get a sense of is that really the narrative you want to live?

Speaker 2:

Well, and maybe you can interrupt some of my thinking, or because we're. I don't know if this is stuck is the right word, but it's. It seems like you're encouraging people to chase their dreams, to follow their dreams, to have their dreams. You know, whatever it is and I can think of a lot of people who are stuck.

Speaker 2:

You know there's many narratives, but it's one is like I'm the sole provider for my family. I don't like my job, or it's not my dream. I would like to do something else, but I cannot find the space to go back to school. To, you know, take a go out on a limb to open this business. I cannot find the space to go back to school, to go out on a limb to open this business. I cannot do that. My family is depending on me.

Speaker 2:

Vice versa, you've got the parent who's like I have to be here for my kids right now, for a variety of reasons, I can't go back to school. I can't take a risk, I can't. Yada, yada, yada. That'll come later. And there's 15 million other stories that you know fit somewhere in between those two things, or whatever. And so to have a dream, to think about the place that you're at, to be content with our container or not, like that's where I'm wrestling, or wondering what message we leave people to say how do you chase a dream? How do you have a dream? How do you think about a dream when you're not 23, right out of college, when the world is not your oyster? The world is much more down to, perhaps just the buffet shrimp at Red Lobster, if that's still a thing, but it's still, you know, it's not bad.

Speaker 2:

Saying if oysters are like the pinnacle of seafood.

Speaker 3:

Doesn't Red Lobster make their shrimp like on premises Anyway?

Speaker 2:

don't let that distract you.

Speaker 1:

Does that make sense, linda? Give me one second to get my thought back. So so in Brian and my marriage we've had everything and nothing and everything in between. Like we've had a lot we've had nothing right.

Speaker 2:

The best of times is the worst of times.

Speaker 1:

Kind of, kind of. And I think there's times where I've been able to look at my life and think, wow, when I had time, I didn't have money.

Speaker 1:

And then, when we had, money I didn't have time and then I just well, okay then, just, you know, keep setting your alarm and waking up again the next day. And and I think part of it is an interruption of, where can you find some of these moments of mindfulness, these moments of cultivating goodness, of not feeding your mind with negative narratives and inflammatory responses, but trying to ground back to goodness and ground back to the life-giving nature of dreams? Brian.

Speaker 3:

I also want to remind people that most of us have the capacity to carry many dreams at the same time. One of the things people often get confused on is that all dreams can come true now. I believe that there are some dreams that are given to us that are designed to be put in the backpack that we're carrying and they're going to be fulfilled later. They may not be the right size right now. They're going to be something different later on, and I believe that people often think that they have to choose, and I would invite people to think can I carry both? Because I think that both of those dreams can be true.

Speaker 3:

I think that because I lived it for myself and I've seen it in many people. One of my dreams was for our daughter to get through high school and into college and I felt that my commitment to her was to pick her up from school from every day, take her to a playground, take her to a coffee shop, which meant I had to be done working by three o'clock Most days. That happened in my decision was my dream was to raise my daughter in a specific way where I'm present, and the dream of growing and expanding the company and all the different ways that they could. We're going to wait until our daughter was 18 years old. Both dreams were true. Both of those dreams required sacrifice and there was a back burner and all these different things I thought about. But for me, I carried both of those dreams and several others and waited for the right time to plant that dream in the place where I was so that new dream could grow.

Speaker 1:

And Brian raised a daughter who, with big dreams, big heart, big care, and, I think, to watch her in her 20s now and the people that she surrounds herself with, we couldn't be prouder. We could not be prouder, and I know that we can trace that back to Brian's investment in her.

Speaker 2:

That's cool. As we're wrapping up here, I'm wondering if there is a synopsis, a message, a final thought what do you really want readers to take away from this, this podcast, this book, whatever? Just around the idea of dreams, Like is there a nugget, a soundbite? I'll edit this, maybe to use on social media later, but what's? What's a an encapsulation of all of this, and I'd kind of like each of you to maybe say something, if you have that.

Speaker 3:

What I want to say, nathan, is I would really invite people to at first embrace the dreams or dreaming. Now, just learn to embrace them and allow the dream to embrace you back. And what I mean by that is when we allow the dream to embrace us back, we tend to feel the reality of the dream in a new way and really believe that that dream was meant for us, like any meaningful embrace that we share in our lives. We can feel the love and the inspiration in that embrace. That's really what I feel the purpose of a dream is is to love us and to inspire us to be more of who we are. Wow.

Speaker 1:

That's that? No, that's beautiful.

Speaker 3:

Really.

Speaker 1:

Yes, because I'm sitting here thinking with the both of you.

Speaker 1:

I feel like when the three of us sit down and chat and we wrestle with some of these ideas or how to put the right words on around them, or all the jokes that ensue that are sometimes not appropriate for podcast listeners.

Speaker 1:

So I'm sitting here thinking, wow, maybe this is kind of what it feels like to live a dream, doing things that I love, with people that I deeply care about, who are not not letting me settle, who are not keeping me down, um, but going to some cool places together that we've yet to really dream or encounter. And, and I think it's getting familiar. My advice or my wish for people is that they would start to become familiar with how you dream, how you dream uniquely, what kind of things inspire you, who's around you that gets your attention, gets your attention, what kind of things ignite some of your thinking or your feeling and what inspires you to act. And maybe then, maybe then, after a little bit of time or processing with another person, you'll have a sense of what your dreams truly are, and then I would say go for it.

Speaker 2:

Love it. Well, Brian, Linda, thank you very much. I always appreciate the conversation and thinking into this. Next week We'll call Linda Matches the book. I know I like it.

Speaker 3:

I like it. She's wearing the colors of the book.

Speaker 2:

It's so good. Next week, I believe, or in the next episode, we're going to be talking about dreams in more of a communal context, be that corporate or family or not, whatever it is, just like the dreams. How do all of our individual dreams contribute to a big dream? Contribute whatever it is? So, listeners, stay tuned for that. Thank you for listening to the Leadership Vision Podcast, our show helping you build a positive team culture. If you have not yet picked up your copy of Unfolded Lessons in Transformation from an Origami Crane, you can click the link in the show notes or get yours wherever good books sell two-time national bestsellers. You can also visit us on the web at leadershipvisionconsultingcom for a whole bunch of other resources. My name is Nathan Friberg, I'm Linda Shubring and I'm Brian Shubring.

Speaker 2:

And on behalf of our entire team thanks for listening.